Comments for Fuller Youth Institute http://fulleryouthinstitute.org Youth Ministry Research into Resources Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 Comment on One Applicant Per Position by Lars Rood http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/07/one-applicant-per-position/comment-page-1/#comment-1946 Lars Rood Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:10:56 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?p=8118#comment-1946 Mark- I think this is one approach but I don't actually think it's the best. I guess it depends on your management style. I typically have a job description and some specific tasks in mind when I interview but I also look for someone who might have gifts/skills and see how they might fit in the organization. For example I just hired a new High School Minister. Had we started with a very defined/specific job description we probably wouldn't have ended up with the guy we hired. He brings a gift mix that includes much of what we wanted but has some secondary gifts that only showed up once we got to the interview process. Had we simply said "10 years experience with a history in Large Church leadership and overseeing multiple paid staff" he wouldn't have been qualified. I would argue that some successful companies such as Google, Apple and others don't go by Druckers approach. They try to find gifted and talented people with incredible gifts and free them to use those talents. Druckers approach weeds out too many people and though it might leave you with the right candidate to do the job you think you need done it doesn't allow enough flexibility to be creative and for the manger to learn through the process. I'm a huge fan of learning while I hire. I think that's why I've found some great people who I wouldn't have normally looked at. Mark- I think this is one approach but I don’t actually think it’s the best. I guess it depends on your management style. I typically have a job description and some specific tasks in mind when I interview but I also look for someone who might have gifts/skills and see how they might fit in the organization. For example I just hired a new High School Minister. Had we started with a very defined/specific job description we probably wouldn’t have ended up with the guy we hired. He brings a gift mix that includes much of what we wanted but has some secondary gifts that only showed up once we got to the interview process. Had we simply said “10 years experience with a history in Large Church leadership and overseeing multiple paid staff” he wouldn’t have been qualified. I would argue that some successful companies such as Google, Apple and others don’t go by Druckers approach. They try to find gifted and talented people with incredible gifts and free them to use those talents.

Druckers approach weeds out too many people and though it might leave you with the right candidate to do the job you think you need done it doesn’t allow enough flexibility to be creative and for the manger to learn through the process. I’m a huge fan of learning while I hire. I think that’s why I’ve found some great people who I wouldn’t have normally looked at.

]]> Comment on The Money Question by Lars Rood http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/07/the-money-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1945 Lars Rood Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:02:26 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?p=8120#comment-1945 I 100% agree with this. As someone who has hired many staff over the years I'm very comfortable starting the process of negotiating. I think it's important to be open to the negotiating process on both ends. The best place to start though is to make sure the church has at least an idea of what they want to spend. I 100% agree with this. As someone who has hired many staff over the years I’m very comfortable starting the process of negotiating. I think it’s important to be open to the negotiating process on both ends. The best place to start though is to make sure the church has at least an idea of what they want to spend.

]]> Comment on The Money Question by Kara Powell http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/07/the-money-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1944 Kara Powell Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:44:59 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?p=8120#comment-1944 I so agree with this. I was given this advice 15 years ago and have followed it every time I've been in a conversation about salary. I so agree with this. I was given this advice 15 years ago and have followed it every time I’ve been in a conversation about salary.

]]> Comment on One Applicant Per Position by Kathy H http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/07/one-applicant-per-position/comment-page-1/#comment-1942 Kathy H Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:23:31 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?p=8118#comment-1942 Drucker has a good point, but I'd be careful about wording something so narrowly that only one person is qualified. By doing so, you might not get the chance to think outside the box and find a different sort of amazing person, and you also risk having the position be empty for too long. The reality is, sometimes it's better to have the #2 or #3 choice in a position rather than have the position not get filled. Drucker has a good point, but I’d be careful about wording something so narrowly that only one person is qualified. By doing so, you might not get the chance to think outside the box and find a different sort of amazing person, and you also risk having the position be empty for too long. The reality is, sometimes it’s better to have the #2 or #3 choice in a position rather than have the position not get filled.

]]> Comment on Youth Potential by Kara Powell http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/06/youth-potential/comment-page-1/#comment-1930 Kara Powell Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:42:25 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?p=8156#comment-1930 Thanks, Joel, for highlighting the point about mentoring. That's really what I meant to highlight also. I wasn't trying to make any particular point about Islam. Thanks, Joel, for highlighting the point about mentoring. That’s really what I meant to highlight also. I wasn’t trying to make any particular point about Islam.

]]> Comment on Urban Youth Ministry Self-Care Toolkit by My Best 3 Conversations This Week | Fuller Youth Institute http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/urban/urban-self-care-toolkit/comment-page-1/#comment-1929 My Best 3 Conversations This Week | Fuller Youth Institute Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:01:25 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?page_id=3481#comment-1929 [...] Urban Youth Ministry Self-Care Toolkit [...] [...] Urban Youth Ministry Self-Care Toolkit [...]

]]> Comment on Youth Potential by - YACMU http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/06/youth-potential/comment-page-1/#comment-1928 - YACMU Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:55:11 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?p=8156#comment-1928 [...] http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/06/youth-potential/ [...] [...] http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/06/youth-potential/ [...]

]]> Comment on Youth Potential by Joel http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/06/youth-potential/comment-page-1/#comment-1926 Joel Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:45:13 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?p=8156#comment-1926 A different adult influence could have possibly brought out a different Bin Laden in a good sense. As for Islam, well it will always be Islam whether Bin Laden was a leader or not. They would have and will always continue to insist on being a true religion for which we know is not and push their laws on the rest of the world. Although they do have certain perspectives that are adaptable for today's society without the religious beliefs. Maybe, just maybe if Bin Laden had a positive influence Islam could have been different, but God only knows. This is just a really good example as to why teenagers need positive mentors and role models. Teens follow not just our words but our actions as well. A different adult influence could have possibly brought out a different Bin Laden in a good sense. As for Islam, well it will always be Islam whether Bin Laden was a leader or not. They would have and will always continue to insist on being a true religion for which we know is not and push their laws on the rest of the world. Although they do have certain perspectives that are adaptable for today’s society without the religious beliefs. Maybe, just maybe if Bin Laden had a positive influence Islam could have been different, but God only knows. This is just a really good example as to why teenagers need positive mentors and role models. Teens follow not just our words but our actions as well.

]]> Comment on College Transition by Youth Potential | Fuller Youth Institute http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/college-transition/comment-page-1/#comment-1924 Youth Potential | Fuller Youth Institute Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:02:08 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?page_id=13#comment-1924 [...] College Transition [...] [...] College Transition [...]

]]> Comment on And You Think You Can Give by Kara Powell http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/2009/06/and-you-think-you-can-give/comment-page-1/#comment-1922 Kara Powell Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:20:24 +0000 http://fulleryouthinstitute.org/?p=8083#comment-1922 Great point, Doug, about the heart of the giver. That is indeed what the Lord cares most about. A good reminder in the midst of the statistics in the article. Great point, Doug, about the heart of the giver. That is indeed what the Lord cares most about. A good reminder in the midst of the statistics in the article.

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